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Sunday, 20 May 2007 18:50 Published in News

M: You said you had only spent 30 minutes in Visoko. Why didn't you spend some more time there?

N: Yes, 30 minutes is enough for everyone to see the things that absolutely have nothing to do with construction in the early age, it's enough time to see it, and some things don't even need to be seen because from the texts you can see how absurd it is.

M: Professor Novakovic, I was at the Pyramid of the Moon or Pljesevica Hill if you like, and I was at the plateau and up there it really looks like things have been man-made. How do you explain that?

N: I haven't been there and I haven't seen what it is, but on Visocica I have seen an obvious natural phenomenon when nature forms the layers that really look like…

M: So, professor Novakovic, all of that is a natural formation?

N: What I have seen on Visocica is.

M: If everything is natural, why did you make petitions?

N: Because the excavations are made there and a ritual history is promoted, which doesn't have anything to do with common sense.

M: But that's not illegal.

N: I don't know about the illegal, but those excavations have to be an end-result of permits that had to be issued by an Institute for Protection of the Monuments of some culture or some other…

M: When you talk about monuments of some culture, you mean the Old City?

N: No, I'm talking about permits they need to have for the excavations…

M: Yes, but what are they destroying there?

N: They are destroying…

M: But what?

N: What they have dug out, they only made one assessment…

M: They publish everything on their website.

N: Yes, but we haven't seen any findings or objects.

M: Yes, but how do they find them when people sign the petitions?

N: Listen, they have excavated so much and if it really was a pyramid, they should've found hundreds and thousands of artifacts, which proves how much that whole thing is…

M: Maybe they will find them in the tunnels.

N: Look, so far we have nothing, and they have excavated so much that they should've found something, even from the later age… After all, Bosnia is [archaeologically] so rich and it is absolutely absurd that no artifacts have been found.

M: Prof. Novakovic, please explain how someone can ask for the artifacts and analysis when they want the excavations to be stopped.

N: So far they have excavated so much, too much even…

M: But excavations were banned long before they started.

N: That's because neither the technical nor the scientific references of the researches, nor the methodical system have been presented as they normally are in all other states.

M: But we have professors, doctors, professors from Egypt who did the analyses.

N: That professor from Egypt is not an Egyptologist; he's nothing but a geologist.

M: I have met Professor Muhammad Ibrahim Ali…

N: Yes, but the major Egyptologist has stated that all of that is nonsense.

M: That was a lie, though. Mr. Osmanagic has been to Egypt two or three weeks ago; you're talking about Mr. Howas and he has regaled Mr. Osmanagic, and has nothing against the project and said that it was all okay.

N: The person who is the greatest expert for the pyramids in Egypt has said that all of that is nonsense and I have no reason not to believe that.

M: But why would the same man be a host to Mr. Osmanagic? You have read some false news.

N: I doubt they were false.

M: I don't.

N: The well-known professor has written…

M: Let's say it's true what you have just said. How do you explain Muhammad Ibrahim Ali; I have been there and met him. What he looked at and what he saw, he said it was man-made, not naturally but man-made.

N: Listen, you can quote whomever you like…

M: But he was sent by Mr. Hawas.

N: Things simply cannot be the way they have been first presented. More and more money is wasted for a project…

M: You also said that Mr. Osmanagic is wasting public funds, but do you know that the State invests less than 10% in this project?

N: Even if it's 1%, it's too much.

M: Why, if it's a matter of archaeology?

N: Because the State should invest money for other, more real, archaeological projects.

M: Such as?

N: I don't know; there are so many archaeological things to be done.

M: Such as?

N: Like de-mining archaeological locations.

M: Which ones?

N: Like Mile in Visoko, but there is a lot of such monuments.

M: When you mention the monuments, I want to know which ones you mean.

N: What do you mean which ones?

M: You said that Foundation wastes a lot of money.

N: That's right. Those are the facts.

M: What should it spend on, then?

N: Not the Foundation, but the State. The State should organize a unique system of protecting the cultural monuments.

M: Which ones? Do you know that the Old City was neglected?

N: This is a reason enough to form a better system. I'm not saying that the old system was good, but that it needs to be modernized and improved, which requires a monetary fund. There is an archaeological map of Bosnia and Herzegovina within seven large books where you can find a thousand of locations…

M: So you Prof. Novakovic think that those are nothing but hills in Visoko.

N: Archaeological locations could exist there, but they have nothing to do with the pyramids.

M: If they are nothing but hills, why did you sign the petitions?

N: Because excavations are made without an expert supervision, while large amounts of money are wasted.

M: They have Dr. Ramovic who is a geologist, and Enver Buza and other experts; Construction Institute from Tuzla has confirmed…

N: They need to have the permits.

M: They do have them.

N: Maybe.

M: Not maybe, they do.

N: It's just that the entire system of monument's protection in Bosnia is not set properly so it can't function properly either. In such cases occur excavations like those at Visocica.

M: So you think that those excavations are not okay. Right, onto the next question. How do you explain the tunnels?

N: Those tunnels could have been constructed in various periods of time.

M: Professor Novakovic, there are tunnel junctions too.

N: When were they made? Tell me.

M: That's what I'm asking you. You're the archaeologist.

N: You said you were there.

M: I said that because I was there.

N: So was I but I'd like to say…

M: Alright, I apologize.

N: I don't know anything about those tunnels.

M: So you can't give me an explanation.

N: I've never even tried to give an explanation as I have no opinion of it at all.

M: How do you explain stone spheres?

N: I've never tried to explain those either.

M: Are you familiar with their existence?

N: Those stone spheres, no, I don't know anything about them.

M: You're an archaeologist and you've never heard of them?

N: I have, but I have no outlook on them. I'm waiting for an expert…

M: There are stone spheres in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

N: I'm going to have to end this interview soon.

M: It's not a problem, professor, but I want to hear your explanation on the stone spheres.

N: Look, I have no opinion on them.

M: If you have no explanation, if you know nothing about the tunnels, if you know nothing about the Pyramid of the Moon, how could've you signed the petitions?

N: Simply, what I have seen myself and what I heard from Osmanagic and others…

M: Meaning, based on what you've heard and what was written, and not on the assessments you made; you told me you spent 30 minutes there…

N: Absolutely, what I have seen is more than enough…

M: But you said that it takes at least 5 hours to go between Gornje Vratnice, Pljesevica, Visocica to see everything, but you said you were there for only 30 minutes.

N: Look, some things only need 5 minutes…

M: Why five?

N: For what I'd seen, it only takes 5 minutes.

M: What have you seen?

N: I saw geological layers, stone blocks layered in the terms of slopes, but of absolutely natural configuration, materials probably originating of lake sediments.

M: What would you say if I told you that the Construction Institute from Tuzla analyzed those blocks and found that those are the densest blocks in Bosnia and Herzegovina?

N: This has absolutely nothing to do with the pyramids.

M: And connecting materials; Dr. Ibrahim Ali was there, and Dr. Andretti, Dr. Barakat, and all of them said it's the pyramids, and you're denying it.

N: They're not the people that mean something in the world of science.

M: Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Ali is a University professor.

N: I'm not saying that he isn't.

M: He's a researcher, it's his field.

N: I'm not saying it isn't, but it's a question of how he does the research.

M: Someone might say he has more experience than you, he knows more about the pyramids because he comes from the land of the pyramids.

N: He might know more about the pyramids, but what he said is absolutely incorrect.

M: You're probably confusing Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Ali with Dr. Barakat because they have similar names.

N: I'm not confusing anything.

M: I was with Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim and he showed me the differences between the things made by nature and those made by men; it's been his field for 28 years.

N: The things he said are wrong, I say it now and I will always keep saying it.

M: Why is that? You say one thing, he says the other; that man comes from the land of the pyramids, he knows what he's talking about.

N: If that man said those things are ten to fifteen [thousand] years old, it's just stupid.

M: He didn't say how old they were; he simply said they were man-made.

N: I don't know what it was that he observed…

M: We went to the Pyramid of the Moon…

N: I'm only saying what I have read in the magazines and on the Foundation's website and this entire project has been presented so ridiculously; I'm talking about the whole thing, the entire project is based wrongly and the idea is promoted wrongly and is totally harmful.

M: Why is it harmful?

N: It produces things virtually nonexistent.

M: But you wrote something totally incorrect, that the Foundation is spending public funds, while less than 10% goes to the Foundation.

N: Look, I don't want to talk about such minorities now.

M: Don't you think that your statement was serious?

N: I can't help you if you don't understand that certain companies in Bosnia are donating…

M: What does it have to do with any of this? If those are the pyramids what does it matter that somebody is donating, we're talking about archeological structures…

N: Look, I think it's time we ended this interview, you keep saying one thing, I the other, and you keep repeating yourself.

M: I asked you because I read your letter.

N: Alright.

M: But you've given the wrong information.

N: Look, you keep saying one thing and I the other, I'm afraid we won't get far if we continue speaking like this.

M: Professor Novakovic, I thank you, but you haven't answered me why you signed the petitions, if you think it's a nature-made hill why would you make petitions, first everybody claimed that the Old City was being destructed which is not correct…

N: I wrote a letter, not a petition.

M: No, I'm not talking about this letter; you were one of the people who signed the petition…

N: I haven't signed a single petition so far, if we're going to be precise, but I have taken part in some realizations…

M: I saw that.

N: I just think that entire project is absurd and harmful.

M: Why is it harmful?

N: I told you 5 minutes ago why it's harmful; if you remember, 20 years ago there was an idea of Troy being in Bosnia and the same way it was harmful then it's harmful now, it created ideas and illusions…

M: Professor Novakovic, you are a professor of Archaeology.

N: Yes.

M: Shouldn't you be open-minded?

N: I am open-minded; I am just telling you it's stupid.

M: You can't say it's stupid if you're open-minded.

N: I can say it's a critical stupidity.

M: Why don't you go there and take a look?

N: I've seen enough and I know enough.

M: But you've spent only 30 minutes there which is not enough.

N: Well if you think it's not enough, it's your problem, for me it's more than enough as well as for the world archaeology experts. It's not my opinion; it's an opinion of the official European Archeology Association.

M: Like who?

N: The entire association.

M: But they also spent 30 minutes there.

N: I was with them there and it was enough of time; why would world known professors from Germany, England and France write against the project if…

M: Professor Novakovic, why is Semir Osmanagic doing this?

N: I don't know, you should ask him about that, I don't know, I only see the consequences.

M: Why did you write that letter then?

N: Because I believe that as a secretary of the European Association I have a responsibility to observe, watch, and comment development of archeology in entire Europe.

M: So Semir Osmanagic is not destroying the Old City in Visoko, he's not destroying monuments but you still wrote a petition because you think that the project is harmful, is that what you're saying?

N: It's harmful, absolutely.

M: I don't know why it's harmful; they are excavating stone blocks…

N: Whether you believe it or not is your problem.

M: Professor, let's clear one thing, this is not of my problem, I'm just telling you what's been discovered in Visoko.

N: I think it's harmful, it's my opinion, and that's it.

M: But why don't you go there?

N: Because there's no point.

M: So you won't go there.

N: It's not that I won't…

M: Why don't you go there and make a point?

N: Because all of the money spent on those excavations is wasted.

M: Wait, you said that the money is wasted, why would you say that?

N: Because it's an absurd project.

M: How can you say that?

N: It's not only me; the entire team of experts has said the same.

M: Forget what other people said.

N: Listen, let's end this interview because it makes no sense.

M: But you agreed to give me detailed explanations.

N: I agreed to answer your questions.

M: You're not giving me a good reason why this is harmful for Bosnia and Herzegovina.

N: You write everything I told you.

M: I am recording it all.

N: I know, but let's end this because you're trying to convince me into something that makes no sense. Let's say those are the pyramids, there should be some big settlements around them, and these are supposed to be like the greatest pyramids in the world and there is nothing around them, no artifacts, which is absurd.

M: I understand your stance and opinion, but that's why you should pay more attention to the researches…

N: I do, only to much more important researches.

M: You spent only 30 minutes there.



Tuesday, 29 May 2007 12:31 Published in News
Yes, I am very familiar with the Foundation’s ongoing project, but let me tell you first that I was very skeptical about the pyramids before arriving to Visoko.  Everyone I arrived with was also very skeptical, and I really never expected to see any significant structures of a big importance here.  I have to admit that this visit changed my mind 100%. 


Tuesday, 29 May 2007 12:47 Published in News
Among the visitors to the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids were also SFOR peace keepers from Cadiz.

Their impression; “I heard about this discovery in Spain while listening to the radio and climbing on the plateau of the pyramid of the Moon was not a waste of our time. We are all impressed with what we saw on the plateau of the Moon Pyramid and the excavated sites” 






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