With dr. Sam Osmanagich (S), Aafke Douma (A), Rob Heiligers (R), dog Sunny and a small group of Dutch people who joined us in the Ravne tunnels.

We sit on benches in a remote part of the tunnels, some 300 m from the entrance. At first we are in a quiet, silent meditation during some 30 minutes.

Aafke: Is it OK when I say something? 
Sam: OK
A: OK, we’re here in the tunnels today. When we meditate, I can see beautiful beings, violet, purple. But they are not from another planet. They are reflections of us, of ourselves. We ARE those beings, we are them. We really are lightbeings. So it is nice and quiet and peaceful over here. And because we are aware that we are those beings, we don’t have to be afraid. For nothing, for no one. It is so pure, it is beyond fear. It’s beyond anger. It’s beyond pain. 
Maybe you can see them too. The consiousness of people all around the world is getting higher and higher and there are people who can see these beings too. And they are a reflection of ourselves. 
So don’t be afraid if you see some lightbeings. It’s a reflection of ourselves in another dimension. It is to tell us who we really are. To let us know who we are. How great we are, how powerful we are.
A: Probably we forgot. This place helps us to remember who we really are. The whole place, not only this place in the tunnels, but also the pyramids, the whole Visoko-area helps us to ‘RECLAIM OUR PURITY’. 
We recognize ourselves in it. We are touched... 
(Aafke has tears)

A: It is all about purity, pure LOVE. 
And never let anybody, anyone tell you something. Don’t. Investigate it all by yourself, always! 
Don’t let anybody tell you something. No one. Not even me. Because you will know inside what is good for you, what feels right. Always investigate everything yourself! 
Like we, Rob and me and our groups do it over here with our own clairvoyant research…
(whispers) Investigate!

A: Everything now says: ‘Let the children play’! 
We are these children! 
So let us play and don’t let us take everything so seriously but let us also play! Play life!
(laughs) 
We forgot to play. If you play, in your imagination, everything is possible and that IS! 
Everything is possible! So think big! Focus on what you want, on what you would like to achieve. What you want to achieve and not on what you don’t want. Focus on what you want and then let it go and let the universe do the job. And play. Play!

A: Are there questions? 
S: Who is with us now? Spiritual entities?
A: Hmm…yes…
S: Which one? 
A: It is not which one. There are more. There is…eh…
S: Let’s talk to one of them. 
A: Hmm… It’s a resonance of ourselves, our Selves. We can talk to them, but we are talking to ourselves. Actually we are talking with our Selves. We are on different layers. We ARE in different dimensions at the same time.
S: Two days ago we had the fall equinox. Astronomers are saying that our planet once tilted, 22,5 degrees. They are also saying that most probably our planet was hit by some cosmic material, by rocks? And then it got tilted. Is that true? 
A: I get a ‘no’. 
It also has to do with fear. 
No, there are different things going on. There are a lot of sun flames and there was some sort of rock collapse but it didn’t hit so much. It only shook a little. 
But also it has to do with our consciousness, it is about awareness. Where are we now? Where are we standing now? We are shaken again. But not in the way that it has so much influence . On the planet you mean? No. Because otherwise we wouldn’t sit here in the tunnels now. If that had so much influence, then it wouldn’t be safe to sit here. Then it wouldn’t be good, it wouldn’t be OK.

S: Why we are sitting here? All of us? 
A: Now? 
S: Yes. 
A: To be one with the tunnels. And to feel the energy and to be aware of ourselves, of our Selves, how great we are, how powerful we are. That everything is possible. That we can achieve everything we want. We only have to believe in it and let go of all the old programs. This place helps with that process. And because the awareness and consiousness is getting higher and going faster… (sigh)…
We resonate with this place. With this tunnel at this moment.

S: How do you see this place in the future? The tunnels? The pyramid complex? How is it going to be affecting the world? 
A: It is already affecting the world. And it is going to be more and more, and people who resonate will come. They will feel a call, they will come. And then they will take the energy with them. 
S: And then? When they go home, when they come back home? 
A: They have opened, they are open. They are in their purity! They resonated with the pure energy over here. This place is about purity. It helps opening up. They felt it. They are aware of this energy and they will bring it home, so other people will also open up. They will resonate with each other.
And if others don’t believe it, maybe they want to come here and see and look and feel for themselves. 
Also there are people who want to come here, because they resonate with other lives they lived over here. Because they feel the call. And there are also people… 
We who came here, will ‘infect’ other people with this ‘virus’. And not only people will come here, but also to the whole globe, the whole earth. And it is going to be a great place. It is already a great place. But it is going to be greater, larger, bigger.

A: It is going to be a process. If it is going too fast you cannot follow. You have to follow the process. Yes and focus on what you really want! And also be patient with it. Then it is going to be natural, this process. There is so much awareness already, that this place is so special. It will stay special, always. So there always will be people coming. But the infrastructure has to be OK, because otherwise you can’t deal and manage all these people who will come. So it’s a process and it will become greater and bigger and people will know. Know that it’s a powerplace! 
And for the people who cannot come here, the people who have been here will take the energy home and give it through to them who cannot come here. They will resonate this pure energy. 
So it is like some sort of oil… That will flow over the entire world. It’s the purity that has been touched. And if there are enough people who live in their purity, and then from out of their purity, it will take over. Pure Love, unconditional Love. And it will melt everything. Everything!
(tears)

A: It’s all about Awareness. We ARE the tunnels, we ARE the pyramids.
What we forgot, is that we are eternal beings! We are going on and on and on with lives, in between lives, eternal... That’s what it’s all about. 
There may be some fear and you may be afraid of something in your life, but don’t get into the story of fear. It is as it IS, and you may feel it (a little bit), but you don’t have to go into this story again. It has already been. 
So if a rock has hit the planet, don’t go into fear. But go into… ’It’s OK’. We are still here. And we have the power to… not to heal it, but to get it, bring it in the right way again. So we can live on it and we can play and we can have fun and we can all achieve what we want and all we have to achieve. And follow our mission and follow our passion. And there will be earthquakes and there will be all kinds of chaos, but that seems to be necessary to get a change, a transformation. To let you know that you are eternal and not ever have to be afraid.

S: In these tunnels, sitting on these benches, how do we interact, communicate at this moment? 
A: With what? 
S: With each other. 
A: With each other. Without words! Without words and on other levels. There is a lot going on. So much more than we can see with our human eyes. Words cannot…, with words you cannot pronounce what you are feeling or what you are seeing. Some people see lights, some people see geomatric forms and figures, some see colors. But many people don’t like to talk about it, because they are afraid that other people will think that they are mad. Or that they will be classified as totally weird.
We communicate on many other levels. And if you communicate on Love or through Love and through your purity, then it is always uplifting, lifting you up. If you communicate from fear, you will attract ‘more’ fear.

A: We communicate on different levels. I communicate with you (Sam) on another level then I communicate with Rob or with other people at this moment. So it IS and that is OK! 
And we communicate with these beings, the orbs and all the other beings, and that’s OK too! 
We don’t have to be afraid. If you are not afraid, then you can see everything and it is beautiful inside here! I can see colors, colors I have never seen before and I can see shapes and I can see geomatric figures that I have never seen before. On another level it is all possible. 
And if you are open like a child, if you are in a state of mind like children are, then you can think that you are making it up, but it isn’t making up. It is all there, here! You can communicate with it. And communicate with each other about it. And if you are in Love, in love with yourself, with your purity, then you can also interact with beings that you maybe don’t like. You will ‘melt’ them. Then also you don’t have to be afraid. 
And treat everything with respect. Every human being. Every person you meet and every animal, every tree, every plant, every flower, everything!

A: There is so much going on in the world at this moment. There seems to be so much chaos. Stay calm, stay by yourself, stay within yourself, stay in your strength. In your own strength! 
You cannot help people who are in a sort of catastrophe but you can sent them your Love if you can’t help them in any other way. You can sent them your Love. They will feel it at some level. Don’t get in anger or in fear. But sent them your Love!

A: Are there more questions? 
S: How do you see energy in the tunnels developing? Is it getting stronger? Different? 
A: Yes! Different. It is definitely getting stronger. It is getting more powerful and lila, violet, purple. It’s getting stronger. 
I can make images, films and photo’s of this now. It is getting stronger and stronger. There were some people in our groups who could see that too! 
They could also interact with them, with these beings. And I am very glad they can see and feel it too, because earlier I was one of the only persons who saw these colors and beings. And now there are some more people who can see and feel the energy and also can ‘catch’ these energies on film or on photo. If you are not afraid and not in a state of fear, then anything can show itself. It is realy getting stronger. Stronger and softer at the same time.

A: A few years ago it was different. At some places in the tunnels the energy was some sort of heavier. Heavier than in other places. Now it is getting more eh… I don’t know how to say it… more ‘soft violet energy’. And it also has to do with ourselves, our awareness and consiousness. People are more aware. They resonate. Actually they can see their own purity! Really see their own Self. 
In the tunnels and sometimes even outside the tunnels but at this moment more in the tunnels. You can see it now too. 
There is so much more to say. And the people here in the area are an example for the rest of the world. There is so much… It is too much for now. 
I can see beautiful colors now! I hope that you can see them too! I wish that you can see them too!

A: Can I say something in Dutch? 
S: Hmm… 
A: OK. Misschien kunnen we voor de mensen hier die het heel zwaar hebben gehad, nu samen een soort van energiering maken en dat we hen allemaal Liefde sturen. 
We want to sent Love to the people here in the Visoko, Bosnia area, OK? 
S: OK. 
Rob: (to the Dutch group) ‘Krijgen jullie dit mee’? 
Group: OK!
Silence while meditating together for 5 minutes…
A: And we thank Dr. Sam. Because he is making it all possible and has made it possible for us to come here, to see and experience these tunnels. Thank you!
S: Right, thankyou too. 
OK, shall we get some light over here?
(1 hour 16 minutes)

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